Thanks Greenious,I have downloaded makedisk and is no good for winxp :( I have also downloaded wfdcopy which i have transferred a game file from the pc to disk then load on the st BUT i still have a problem transferring a game file that is 820kb when the ds/dd disk for the st is formatted at 720kb so is there anything i can do to get an st game file thats 820kb on to a 720kb single disk for the st to load or can i make a double disk game file out of the 820kb on the pc to fit on to two st disks??