| Subject: RE: Ideas on new Atari |
Author: Evan Langlois (67.187.51.187)
Date: 03-20-2005 18:48
earx wrote:
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you really have to use your reading glasses because you confuse and awful lot of matters.. no, DOpE/DROPS are not directly atari related. but i never intended that. the atari related bits are the coldfire, supervidel and the dsp (50% of which you want to lose).
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Same old Atari-user answer. "I want it to be overly expensive and compatible with some demo from the original ST and I don't care about actual technical reasons, the fact that there is no market, or the increased costs. Go away." Its no wonder I left the scene.
Yes, I think non-accelerated graphics chips are a bad idea. Also, The coldfire is NOT atari related. Its an embedded chip which happens to have the features I want, just like MiNT has most of the features I want. The DSP? Thats not an Atari standard. They tried to pull a NeXT (I have one of those too), and it got about as much use. Also, the coldfire has on-board DSP facilities that are faster than the Deese board. The coldfire chip I'm looking at will be 32x32 MAC instructions with 4, 48 bit registers. The Deese DSP is only doing 24 bit. So while the Deese DSP does 100 Million 24x24 bit MAC instructions, the CPU can 275 Million 32x32 bit MAC instructions. I told you I'd consider the latest version of the DSP chip which does have some better features (still reading all the documentation on the chips) but it may end up being nothing but added cost. I'll have to test the coldfire without a DSP first and see if the performance is acceptable for the type of applications I'll be running. Or does that not sound logical to you because you can't run some Falcon demo that uses the 56001 DSP without some form of emulator?
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i'm still against this being a commercial project.. you need a solid basis for that. maybe -you- want to pay them? these are different times man.. atari is now a platform for demosceners, nostalgic gamers and people producing homegrown applications (god bless 'em!). i happen to know that a small minority have still used atari for commercial success a few years ago, but that's an exception.
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Not all companies suck. And I don't pay them. I just have to convince them that they can make money on the idea. You are saying Atari is now a dead platform. You know why?
Its because the user base doesn't want innovation - they want faster versions of what already exists, and that ends up being more expensive than anyone is willing to pay. There is no money to be had in the Atari scene anymore. Companies can't make money, so they leave. Thats exactly why I'm not targetting the current Atari userbase - but if I can get the investment capital, then Atari users win anyway.
People want to get away from Windows, but MAC is too expensive and Linux is too buggy and difficult for people to understand. The majority of people are using older hardware as well because they don't see the value in continuing to jump to the latest OS and being forced to jump to the latest hardware to run it - its an endless cycle. If there was a third alternative, many people would jump on it.
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as for linux.. try RTLinux/RTAI.. programming this is certainly a hell of a lot more easy than porting mint to an evaluation board. i fail to see your point again and again. maybe if you want to do this for fun (which ACP guys are doing) i understand it.
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I've been working with Linux and embedded Linux for a long time. I've had Linux PDAs and Linux phones and Linux on small routers, and I've tinkered with the OS on all of them. I know exactly what the capability is. Its not the OS I'm looking for.
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you try to impose your will onto these guys, or just bother the regulars on this....
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Already working with them.
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