yup, like this PS2 project, had to buy a programmer for starters, how many modules have to sell before I get the cash back on that ? probably have to sell 20 or more just to break even there. Its not all bad though, people get things they want and I get a new programmer so if it breaks even it aint too bad... never seems to get anywhere near breaking even though, but ah well, I want a PS2 adapter for my falcon cos my mouse died a couple of weeks ago ;-)