Author: Havoc (145.85.26.100)
Date: 07-03-1999 12:47
Hello Mike
>With "closed systems" I mean that only one company is allowed to make
>"Amiga" or "Atari" machines. Many people in the "Mainstream" market
>think they buy a totally different computer just because it is labelled
>Compaq or Gateway.
Errr... wait a second... wasn't there a link between Gateway and the
Amiga? Can't remember what it was exactly though. ;)
>(Also you will get alot less advertising with a closed system)
Hmmm... Not entirely true. I think that (for instance) PSX is being
advertised a lot better than any M$ system (including, for instance,
Sega's Dreamcast).
>When Commodore went broke there was no company left to
>porduce new machines and that of course hit the market very bad. (By the
>way Commodore always made a profit with Amigas but the debt from their
>IBM-compatible branch was to big to compensate.)
Dunno... Why did they continue making pc's after the takeover then? I bet
that if the Amiga was profitable enough, someone would have taken over
the operation. Mind you, profitable means something else than "a profit".
>Luckily the new and old
>Amigas will be/are "open platforms". For instance if nowadays IBM will
>die the "IBM compatibles" will go on to exist.
The old Amiga was an open platform? Yeah right, that's why there were so
many different companies producing them. ;) I don't know... Are there
any clones available in the shops today?
>Well maybe it is just bigger. Aminet is the best example I can give you
>of why I think the community is the greatest compared to all platforms.
I don't know Aminet very well. And bigger does not always mean better. :)
And I fail to see the relevance of an userbase here. I hate the average
win9x/pc user. But the platform undeniably got some very useful tools for
me. That's what really counts. :)
>The very popular A500`s were mostly used for games. But in the old days
>the A2000 was mostly used by professional video-editing & special
>effects companies. And for many critical tasks Amigas were used like at
>NASA for launching space shuttles.
Yes, that's true. It does not change anything about my point, though. I
think there are quite a few more music and dtp studios on this planet
than video co's.
Yeah sure. The Amiga was the computer behind space shuttle launches. Come
on, I mean, do you actually believe that yourself? It's probably been
used somewhere in the process, I'd be happy to believe that. But when I
was in Cape Canaveral last summer, I didn't see one single Amiga while I
checked out the facility. Neither did I see any Atari's. What I did see,
though, was a helluva lot of supercomputers and servers. And a switchboard
the size of an average indoor sports hall. And masses of terminals. And a
lot of Windozepeecee's in the offices. But I bet that they use all that
stuff just to play a nice game of Quake (or whatever) during lunch break,
and that the launch computer (an Amiga ofcourse) is well hidden in an
underground atomic bunker, inaccessible to the public ofcourse. ;)
>Well at that time when I bought my first Amiga (1989). No other platform
>was capable of doing such things. Nowadays pre-emptive multitasking is
>done on many systems although on mostly not as efficient and flexable.
In your opinion, that is. Then again, you admit not having used (some of)
those systems, so I don't know how valuable your opinion is here.
>I
>know that the AmigaOS isn`t the best anymore (No improvemnets in over 6
>years) QNX is alot more advanced for example. I talked to some expert
>people in Linux community and they simply addor QNX. It is alot faster
>and more stable than Linux but it isn`t open source like Linux is. They
>were simply amazed that Amiga is using the QNX Neutrino Kernel as it`s
>core for the new OS. And that is why I am so excited about the new
>Amiga.
Okey, so you pay a lot of attention to the OS used. I don't know QNX. I
know very little about Linux. I do know that it is bound to be better
than Windows (can't be worse). If it doesn't crash and if it runs good
software, then it's a perfect OS for me. :) Are there any developers
working on software for this new system?
>Well I know TOS hasn`t got the capabilties but MagiC looks promising but
>I have never used it. Maybe with some hard work you can do such things
>but you need something like the Amiga Community to create it. I will
>keep an eye out! :)
MagiC sucks (sorry Bengy and Jan!). MiNT already exists and is quite well
developed. And it wasn't developed by the "Amiga Community". I'm really
sorry, but I fail to see the difference between the "Amiga Community" and
any other userbase. It's probably very "gezellig" (->cosy, friendly) but
the same goes for the Atari community. And "gezelligheid" doesn't put any
money on my account... What I mean is that I need good software (which I
have found on various platforms up to now), the userbase is irrelevant. I
have a lot of fun in the Atari scene, and thefore I support it. But that
fact won't close my eyes for the practical use of other systems. :)
>Well QNX is very capable. And if it is true what Amiga says that they
>are busy adding some revolutionary things too it and not only bugs ;)
>then it will be wonderfull! Amiga will release some major details this
>week and will announce the "secret" processor shortly afterwards.
>(http://www.amiga.com)
OK, there's no reason why this shouldn't be true afaik. But fact is that
this new "SuperAmiga" has been announced about two years ago, and since
then, nobody has seen any actual (physical) proof of it's existence. And
if it takes a company more than two years to release a beta version of
the machine so that developers can start making software for it... Well,
then I start thinking in terms of "vapourware, hoax, fake, last desperate
try before death". Yes, it's true, I'm a sceptical guy. But give me one
good reason to change my mind (physical proof would help) and I will
reconsider. :)
>It`s a deal ;) De nieuwe Amiga komt weer helemaal in de spotlight!
Okey, so I expect to see this new Amiga before the end of this millennium.
By the way: I want that crate cooled. And I like Grolsch beugels best. ;)
Cheers,
/Peter.
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