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 Subject: RE: CENT060
Author: Anders Eriksson (kryten.dhs.nu)
Date:   01-19-2002 14:17

Ahem..

68060 is lacking alot of FPU instructions and a few integer:

mulu.l muls.l (with double answer)
divu.l divs.l (with double answer)
movep.w movep.l and probably some more.

The coldfire on the other hand is different. It's not just some missing instructions. The entire design of a program needs to be changed. As far as I understood by reading some documents, the coldfire cannot do operations with 8/16-bit data. Eg, move.b, add.b, sub.b blablabla.. and equalient for .w does not work and needs emulation.

It's a really really excessive overhead on Atari programs that exist today, as they more than often are optimized to use .b and .w where possible.

I'm sure newly compiled programs run like hell on coldfire, but the ones we use today will probably be a real pain. And guess what? I'm enjoying the programs I use today! Meanwhile the xtos is just another tos clone, it can't do anything of the things I want (eg, I want to be able to program st and falcon demos/games on my computer!).

CT60 and perhaps Tempest (even if I'm sceptical about their claimed emulation speeds) seems to be the ideal solution. Rodolphe had 100 buyers as the limit when he started the project, and he has reached it some time ago (people have even prepayed the money). So there's nothing "sad" about the CT60 situation at all, it's going ahead as planned.

--
Anders Eriksson
support@atari.org

 Topics Author  Date
  CENT060 new hylst 01-18-2002 14:04 
   RE: CENT060 new Anders S 01-18-2002 23:09 
    RE: CENT060 new Alex F. 01-19-2002 00:40 
     RE: CENT060 new Anders S 01-19-2002 04:13 
      RE: CENT060  Anders Eriksson 01-19-2002 14:17 
       RE: CENT060 new Alex F. 01-19-2002 16:47 
        RE: CENT060 new hylst 01-25-2002 00:42 
       RE: CENT060 new Anders S 01-19-2002 21:26 
        RE: CENT060 new fuck face 01-19-2002 22:06 
       RE: CENT060 new Dan 01-19-2002 23:12 
       RE: CENT060 new hylst 01-25-2002 00:38 
      RE: CENT060 new Johan Klockars 01-19-2002 16:52 
       RE: CENT060 new Anders S 01-19-2002 22:44 
        RE: CENT060 new Johan Klockars 01-20-2002 01:38 
         RE: CENT060 new Anders S 01-20-2002 06:57 
          interesting... new Alex F. 01-20-2002 12:35 
           RE: interesting... new Anders S 01-21-2002 13:19 
            RE: interesting... new Johan Klockars 01-22-2002 17:06 
             RE: interesting... new Anders S 01-23-2002 03:28 
          RE: CENT060 new Johan Klockars 01-20-2002 15:17 
           RE: CENT060 new Anders S 01-21-2002 04:08 
            RE: CENT060 new Johan Klockars 01-22-2002 22:10 
             RE: CENT060 new Anders S 01-23-2002 03:17 
        Huh? new Joe V 01-21-2002 14:18 
         Heh! new Anders S 01-21-2002 15:44 
          RE: Heh! new Elliot 01-22-2002 21:09 
           RE: Heh! new Joshua Kaijankoski 01-22-2002 21:53 
     RE: CENT060 new Elliot 01-19-2002 20:08 
    RE: CENT060 new Johan Klockars 01-19-2002 16:40 
     RE: CENT060 new Anders S 01-19-2002 23:18 
      RE: CENT060 new Johan Klockars 01-20-2002 02:02 
       RE: CENT060 new Anders S 01-20-2002 05:30 
        RE: CENT060 new Johan Klockars 01-20-2002 15:40 
         RE: CENT060 new Anders S 01-21-2002 11:36 
          RE: CENT060 new Johan Klockars 01-21-2002 14:33 
           RE: CENT060 new Joe V 01-21-2002 15:15 
            RE: CENT060 new Johan Klockars 01-21-2002 17:44 
             RE: CENT060 & UMRS new Joe V 01-21-2002 18:24 
              RE: CENT060 & UMRS new Elliot 01-22-2002 21:28 
               RE: CENT060 & UMRS new Joe V 01-23-2002 11:00 
               RE: CENT060 & UMRS new daniel 01-24-2002 01:07 
                RE: CENT060 & UMRS new Elliot 01-24-2002 14:24 
           RE: CENT060 new Anders S 01-22-2002 15:57 
            RE: CENT060 new Johan Klockars 01-22-2002 18:57 
             RE: CENT060 new Anders S 01-23-2002 03:14 
              RE: CENT060 new Johan Klockars 01-23-2002 14:47 
    RE: CENT060 new hylst 01-25-2002 00:35 
   RE: CENT060 new earx 01-19-2002 14:12 
    RE: CENT060 new stimpy 01-20-2002 16:58 
     RE: CENT060 new Fredrik 01-21-2002 11:47 
      RE: CENT060 new Anders Eriksson 01-21-2002 13:02 
       RE: CENT060 new Fredrik 01-21-2002 13:20 

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